Since final November, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger has come underneath fireplace from two very completely different instructions.
Trump loyalists are nonetheless offended at Raffensperger for pushing again towards the previous President’s false claims that there was widespread fraud within the 2020 election. When Trump informed the Georgia election official he simply needed “to find” the 11,780 votes he wanted to win Georgia, Raffensperger refused to conform—saying “we believe our numbers are right,” the Washington Post reported.
Voting rights advocates, who’re critical of restrictions within the state’s new election legislation, are upset too, given Raffensperger’s assist for the measure. On March 25, Georgia enacted an overhaul of it’s election law, which includes a shortened time-frame to request absentee ballots, a ban on most out-of-precinct provisional ballots, limitations on drop bins, and not permitting non-poll employees handy out foods and drinks to voters ready in line inside a sure distance of polling stations and contours.
Since then, a number of legislation fits have been filed over the brand new legislation, however Raffensperger maintains it is going to broaden entry to voting within the state and “has common sense safeguards.” Up for re-election subsequent yr, the Secretary of State can be assured about his prospects, regardless of having misplaced assist amongst some conservatives over resisting Trump. Republican get together officers in two of Georgia’s conservative strongholds adopted resolutions condemning Raffensperger together with Governor Brian Kemp earlier this month.
In a cellphone interview, Raffensperger spoke to TIME about Georgia’s new legislation, the company blowback that ensued and whether or not he would assist Trump if he’s the Republican nominee in 2024. The interview has been edited and condensed for readability.
TIME: There aren’t too many Secretaries of State which can be family names. But you discovered your self within the nationwide highlight final yr after Trump requested you to assist him win Georgia. Has the nationwide focus in your state made it simpler or tougher so that you can do your job?
Raffensperger: I’d say it’s simply put us underneath extra scrutiny from each side. Everything goes again to our 2018 gubernatorial elections with Stacey Abrams. She had a story of voter suppression, President Trump had a story of voter fraud. So I believe we’ve had a comparatively excessive profile for awhile.
You have been evacuated out of Georgia’s capitol constructing by state troopers in early January as a gaggle of about 100 pro-Trump protesters gathered exterior, some of them armed. Have you confronted another threats such as you did that day?
Well, my spouse bought a loss of life menace final Sunday. So we nonetheless do get threats. I do know that individuals have been upset in regards to the election however you must perceive that my job is to ensure we have now honest and trustworthy elections. As a Republican, I used to be dissatisfied with the outcomes additionally. But the outcomes are the outcomes. And that’s my job—it’s to guarantee that we precisely and securely present that info.
You have repeatedly mentioned that Georgia’s current elections have been safe and profitable. Why then, do you suppose was there a must reform the election legal guidelines? Do you agree with the rationale lawmakers put forth that the reforms have been vital for election integrity?
My viewpoint is that we took a success to the boldness within the election course of going again to 2018 with Stacey Abrams. She didn’t concede defeat*.
We had this query about voter suppression and that was her narrative for 2 years. So we went forward with House Bill 316 in 2019 that included a brand new verifiable paper poll system since she questioned the accuracy of the machines. We joined the Electronic Registration Information Center so we might replace our voter rolls objectively, as an alternative of what she mentioned was a really subjective measure. When I ran in 2018, I mentioned we would have liked to maneuver away from signature match and transfer in the direction of having one thing goal, like requiring driver’s license numbers for absentee ballots. That’s what was integrated in Senate Bill 202 and I assist that. And so do voters.
*Stacey Abrams said in 2018 that she acknowledged governor Brian Kemp can be licensed because the election’s winner. “As I’ve at all times mentioned, I acknowledged on the very starting that Brian Kemp gained underneath the principles that have been in place,” Abrams mentioned earlier this month at a congressional hearing. “What I object to are guidelines that permitted 1000’s of Georgia voters to be denied their participation on this election and had their votes forged out.”
Your workplace lately highlighted a new nonpartisan report that ranks Georgia’s election entry among the many prime two-thirds of states within the nation as a result of it permits no-excuse absentee poll voting and has 19 days of early voting. However the pinnacle of the group who revealed the report—David Becker—has mentioned Georgia’s new election legislation “had an excellent system in place” and the brand new invoice “took a step backward from that.” Do you agree with that evaluation? Why or why not?
I agree with the half that we’re the mainstream of what most states do. I imagine that David Becker’s greatest concern was the prohibition permitting the state election board to take over native election boards*. I’ve been very clear: I’m not joyful that I’ve been faraway from the chairmanship of the state election board. I imagine that must be a place that’s accountable to the voting public.
*Becker has spoken out towards a number of of the legislation’s restrictions, together with its limitations on drop bins, the ban on provisional ballots forged earlier than 5 p.m. and criminalizing non-poll employees handing out meals and water to voters in line.
Could you converse extra in regards to the provision that may take away you as head of the state election board? Why is that this an enormous concern for you?
My greatest concern is about placing an unelected particular person in cost of a really highly effective place. And then they’re not held with any direct accountability again to the voters. We want one thing that’s designed to assist counties whose election boards have repeatedly failed them. But I believe everybody wants to grasp that native election boards, the state election board, can’t overturn election outcomes every time they need. They’re going to tabulate the ballots, similar to they at all times have.
You have beforehand mentioned that “the underside line is that this invoice expands entry to the poll.” How do you reconcile that with components of the legislation that additionally embrace so many restrictions like limitations on drop bins, a ban on most out of precinct provisional ballots and shortening the window to request an absentee poll?
Number one, for the primary time, we’re going to have picture ID for absentee ballots. More than 95% of our voters have a driver’s license, so it’s a really goal measure of figuring out voters.
People want to grasp that (drop bins) have been unlawful the day earlier than the invoice handed; they have been solely used final yr as a result of of emergency COVID authorization. And many individuals don’t notice that final yr 35 counties didn’t present a single one in November. Now the invoice goes to require each one of Georgia’s 159 counties to have a drop field. The drop field now has safeguards to it.
As it pertains to the shortened time-frame wherein voters can request an absentee poll, I believe that’s an excellent factor. What that’ll do is be sure that we have now a extra uniform course of. Otherwise it was actually presenting a problem to election officers. The earlier system meant that counties needed to course of requests for a number of completely different elections on the similar time; it was very bureaucratically difficult, so it actually goes again to the environment friendly election course of. We additionally made it so voters should request an absentee poll at least 11 days earlier than a major or election to assist enfranchise voters as a result of the late requesters, they weren’t getting their ballots on time. And in the event that they did present up, then they’d have a prolonged cancellation course of, which added to the traces. And then they only missed their alternative to vote.
People have requested in regards to the provision not counting out-of-precinct ballots, besides within the final two hours of Election Day. They have to grasp that Georgia proper now can be aligned with 25 different states, so I imagine that places us within the mainstream. We initially allowed that as an possibility simply in case anyone went to the improper precinct however out-of-precinct voting is a cumbersome course of that takes time. It delays outcomes.
We additionally prolonged early voting, which has broad bipartisan assist. (The legislation requires a further obligatory Saturday for counties and formally codifies Sunday voting as non-compulsory however reduces the time for early voting in runoff elections.) We’ve additionally now set in stone that each voting day for anyone can be from a minimal of 9 a.m. to five p.m. And then the counties—usually our giant metropolitan counties—that have been doing 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. can nonetheless do this. So you generally is a 12-hour otherwise you’ll be doing that 8-hour window but it surely’ll be day-after-day versus simply two hours a day.
Our aim is to ensure we have now a protected, uniform course of for as many counties as attainable, recognizing that our smallest counties have 2,500 folks, our largest has 1,000,000. But we’re balancing the safety with accessibility. We’ve addressed the problems that have been raised from the 2018 election. So we’re actually taking away politicians’ excuses of why they lose elections, as a result of we’re actually having a sturdy management system. And but we’re nonetheless having accessibility, which places us within the mainstream of what you’re seeing in all of the opposite states in America.
To your level about drop bins, voting rights advocates have complained that by requiring drop bins to be inside amenities, it takes away from their very function of rising accessibility. They additionally level out that many city counties can have considerably much less drop bins than they did in current elections.
I believe when folks discuss in regards to the drop bins being exterior in current elections, they’re skipping over an enormous level. Last yr, we have been within the center of a COVID-19 pandemic. With the drop bins exterior, voters might drive up of their automobile, soar out, put their poll within the field after which drive off. They by no means needed to are available contact with different folks.
We are actually—with the vaccinations and COVID dissipating considerably—again to intermixing and they also don’t have that very same concern. But our choice, if we didn’t have a COVID pandemic, would have been to have these to ensure they’re underneath 24/7 surveillance inside.
Multiple civil rights teams have now sued over Georgia’s new election legislation, alleging that it violates the structure and Voting Rights Act and makes voting tougher for minority and working-class voters specifically. President Joe Biden has mentioned the brand new legislation is an “atrocity” and “Jim Crow within the twenty first century.” What’s your response to the President and civil society’s criticism? Do you suppose it’s honest?
I believe the Jim Crow lie is harmful for election confidence. It’s not useful. As lengthy as we have now that non-public integrity, an acceptable stability of safety and accessibility and the outcomes are correct, candidates want to simply accept it and we have to give up throwing out these pejorative phrases as a result of they’re actually harmful for election confidence.
What’s your response to companies’ selections to take their enterprise out of the state, like Major League Baseball shifting its All-Star recreation to Colorado?
I’m a small enterprise proprietor and so I take a look at this from a small enterprise particular person perspective. But when you’re a publicly traded firm wading into public coverage questions, you must perceive that proper now, we have now a nation that actually is cut up into two camps. It’s very polarized. So every time making a decision within the political realm you’re going to in all probability get your potential clients irritated. If you actually take a look at what the invoice does, it actually has frequent sense safeguards for Georgia elections.
Several native officers, together with Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, have spoken out towards the legislation as effectively. Gwinnett Solicitor General Brian Whiteside has said he gained’t prosecute the legislation’s line-warming provision. What do you suppose may very well be the impression if native officers select to not apply components of the legislation?
I imagine it’s actually harmful and unlucky when elected officers say that they may violate their oath to faithfully serve the structure and the legal guidelines of the state. I take my oath very significantly and I’ll proceed to try this. I’ve to give attention to what I can management and that’s what I do on a regular basis. Those folks can be answerable clearly to the voters sooner or later.
Do you are concerned that your personal stance that there was no widespread fraud, regardless of Trump’s claims, has value you assist out of your base?
President Trump had 80 million Twitter followers; I’ve just below 70,000. So there’s this enormous megaphone, blasting out misinformation, disinformation. People don’t just like the outcomes. I’d have most popular a distinct consequence additionally. But on the finish of the day, what was put on the market (by Trump) was not based mostly on information.
It’s actually an schooling course of. (People) have to grasp that what you’re actually doing is tabulating the ballots based mostly on the folks’s decisions. As a Republican, I personally imagine that Republicans have a greater message. And I hope that we do a greater job of partaking voters and constructing and embodying our base’s assist so we are able to win extra elections.
Is it honest to say that you just really feel assured about your personal re-election in November 2022?
It’s honest to say that I’ll be operating a sturdy marketing campaign. And on the finish of the day, the voters of Georgia make these selections.
Would you assist Donald Trump if he’s the Republican nominee in 2024?
I’ve at all times supported the Republican nominees.